This battery is smaller than the typical car battery, and there are reports that it does not have a long life, probably less than the 2 expected years. When left parked for more than 2 weeks, the charge could be depleted. This car has a lot of electronics, so by maintain the battery charged on acceptable levels, it can last more.
The first step is to locate the point where I can intercept the current coming from the cell. Reading some documents posted for emergency response teams, it is mentioned that the solar cables are running from the left back corner of the roof (driver side). So I opened the hatch door, took off the left plastic panels and moved the ceiling cover a bit down so that I can see there a filter and then a connector coming from the cell.
(Be careful, this has to be performed with battery disconnected. As you can see on below picture on the left you can see the side air bag and any error can cause a catastrophic accident)
(A fellow from prius chat made it easy this step by finding the line running on the back left door panel)
With a quick connect splicer, I run a wire from there to the right side of the compartment where the secondary battery is. I noticed that the negative cable from the cell was grounded , so I decided not to waste cable on it.
The negative cable from the battery is connected to ground with a bolt nearby so there I hooked my negative cable. For the positive from the battery I used also another screw that was nearby the fuse and the connection to the battery. I placed a 7.5 amp fuse, so that I can protect the battery from overcurrent. I read max current accepted by the battery to avoid damage is 4.5 Amperes. Then from the +V coming from the cell I placed a switch so that I can disable that voltage. After that I was ready to install a solar controller.
I looked on ebay and found a cheaper controller for less than $10 USD, it was the CMP12
First, I checked the current and it was flowing about 2.5 amps on direction of the controller, and also on direction of the battery... later I sow -2 amps, meaning current was flowing on the cell direction!!!!!
What happened was that the automatic vent was turned on, and there was a cloud shading the solar cell, so the vent was sucking current from the battery controller and battery because solar cell was under shade...
I was a bit disappointing by the lack of protection of this controller, so turned the solar switch off and ordered a 2 dollar NTE573 60V 5 Amp Schottky Barrier Diode Rectifier #:NTE573
which included shipping on Ebay. A month later, it arrived, I soldered on the cable coming from the solar cell, and waited again for a sunny day to test the system again. A week later, I was able to test it.. now there was no backflow current... great... then I measured the voltage.. and o my god!
Device protection for over-voltage supposed to be 14.2V, and when verified the voltage at the battery, it was more than 15V... exactly the same voltage at the solar cell input... So this controller also did not protected for overcurrent!!!! It has a led indicating if it is charging or not, and it turned always off when reaching the 14.2v threshold , but higher voltage and current was still flowing to the battery...
Dissapointed, I made a claim on ebay so that I can receive my money back... some times those chinese guys refund all the money paid, some times they not... so I was not worry because it was a cheaper device... finally I got my money back..
Not learning my lesson, I decided to buy the next controller in price, that was about 13 dollars. It was the controller CMTP02
No matter it was a couple of dollars more expensive than the previous dummy unit, it looked of worst quality and worst design. Just recently I opened both units, and the CMP12 at least have a formal heatsink because the CMTP02 uses only the back tap as heat dissipation.
Short story with this controller, I tested just the over-voltage protection (black flow current already protected by my schotty diode), and confirmed that is as dummy as the CMP12... They don't protect at all, and seems their leds are the only thing that works on them...
On this unit, I am still negotiating with the EBAY seller the refund, and asking to stop selling fake controllers.
Finally, I decided to look for something of a better quality (and higher cost), and find theMorningstar SunGuard SG-4, 4.5 Amp 12V Charge Controller
This unit does not have control of the loads added to the system like the previous ones, it does not have any leds at all, but it does just what I needed: To control the charging of my battery with the solar cell. The unit is sealed, so it can be installed outdoors without any concerns.
I installed the SunGuard SG-4 on my car, tested for overvoltage protection... and it worked flawless. When I turn the car on, the car starts charging the battery increasing the voltage to 14.something volts, and checked the voltage of the cell it was on 20v... meaning no connection to the battery... checked the current and also there was no ampere flowing ... so it was working!!!!! It costed $30 usd... but at least it does what it supposed have to do.
I will continue my testings... since i want to make sure that when charging the battery there is still enough juice to let the vent to work and refresh the interior of my car on the hot summers of Texas.
(Link to my testing)
These cheap controllers do work all right. The problem on your implementation is (was) that you use a common ground in the car. These low cost controllers are designed to not have common ground between solar cell and battery. There are special solar chargers that are designed to work with common ground. But they are more expensive though. Andre.
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DeleteHave a look at this one for example "Phocos CXN10". This one is able to handle negative common ground (http://www.phocos.com/de-DE/datasheet_sm_cxn.html) like in your Prius.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comments. The CXN10 looks promisingly. In regards the cheap black boxes, I tested the second one on the bench, with separated ground and the behavior is that same as the first one, just trash.
ReplyDeleteThe problem is that in the Prius solar cell (-) and battery (-) are connected through the chassis. That is why these cheap CMTP02-o-like boxes cannot be used.
DeleteThanks for the comments. The CXN10 looks promisingly. In regards the cheap black boxes, I tested the second one on the bench, with separated ground and the behavior is that same as the first one, just trash.
ReplyDeleteHere is a link to the Emergency Response pdf. It has a drawing of the wire routing from the solar panel through the rear driver's side column.
ReplyDeletehttp://mediap04.toyota.ca/media/pdf/10prius_ERG_e.pdf
Just completed my Prius solar connection to a charge controller. My installation differs from Sombra slightly. Instead of locating the solar wire in the ceiling, I located the wire as it passes through the bottom of the rear left passenger door frame. To do this, just remove a 3 ft section of the molding at the bottom door frame. Put your fingers under neath it and pull up. It comes right out. You will now see a black cable harness. Where another cable joins it, remove the black tape around the extra insulation and remove the insulation. There are about 10 wires in the harness. There are just a few of larger wires. Locate the green one, that is the solar wire. Using a wire connector, connect this to about ten feet of #16 or 18 wire. Fish the wire under the seat and into the rear compartment. Fish the wire along the lithium battery compartment, over to the 12v battery. I used a Sunguard solar controller just like the one Sombra used. Once you have all the parts together, it takes just one hour to complete the installation.
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ReplyDeleteAs a link maybe. Congrats on your installation!
ReplyDeleteHey guys, I'm just psyched to mention this idea. I just ordered one and I am going to be installing it in place of my 12 volt DC cooling fan directly in the intake of the battery cooling vent hole in rear right of cabin. This will hopefully cool off the battery as I have been having cells fail on me when in hot climates out west. I will be installing an auxillary solar panel as my Prius is base model and needs it added, to keep battery charged and also run this little unit during the day. It is a small 65w air conditioner: https://www.ebay.com/itm/65W-Cooling-Pet-Air-Conditioner-Cooler-Refrigerator-for-Dog-House-DC12V-DIY-USA/152859208746?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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Thank you for your words Bravngies! I just try to help people with same curiosity as mine to complete their ideas. I am glad it help you in any ways
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